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[GAME OVER, MAN!] Ray Haddad's Usenet Fantasies Crumble: Part I -- The Fall of His Military "Career" Lies (was: Re: The Long Awaited TRUTH About Ray Haddad's "I Bombed Hanoi in 1974" Claim: 'Twas MAGIC!)
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Sylvia
2007-08-31 08:34:25 UTC
Permalink
<UNsnip!>
"[...] my only child under the age of 29 is living with
me [...] still be sending my 29 year old [...]"
-- Ray Haddad Aug 23 2000
http://tinyurl.com/3ba2uu
"I lost count after 6 kids and 5 grands."
-- Ray Haddad July 21 2003
http://tinyurl.com/28zuuu
So, Haddad, that means that yer fifth of six children was born in
1971...
<...>
"I found myself in the US military after being drafted
in 1970 and off to Vietnam for two tours as a volunteer."
-- Ray Haddad http://tinyurl.com/2usz44
</UNsnip!>
.
Clearly, you have no idea about what you are writing.
<chortle!>

That's *your* writing, Haddad, *your* claims. If you are *not* lying
about your own children, and you are *not* lying about your "22 year
military career", then you had five children by the time you were twenty
years old, four children when you claimed that you lost your student
deferment and got drafted in 1970...

... oh, but wait! As a father of four, you could not have been drafted,
so you, Ray Haddad, LIED about your "22 military career".

* You never got drafted because that would have been impossible.

* Your claim of being in the US Navy is based on your claim of being
drafted in 1970, but you never got drafted... so you never joined the
Navy or any other branch of the military.

* Your claim of having been in combat in Vietnam is based on your
having gotten drafted and joined the US Navy, BUT, Ray Haddad, you were
never drafted to begin with, so you could not have gone to Vietnam on
any US Navy aircraft carriers as you claimed.

* Your (years of) archived claims of having been AWARDED MILITARY
MEDALS is based on your claim of having fought in combat in Vietnam
while in the US Navy, after you got drafted in 1970... BUT, you never
got drafted.

Golly, Ray Haddad, you have been impersonating a US Serviceman--claiming
to be "senior person", to boot, which means an *officer* in the US Navy.
You, in writing, have claimed military awards that you never earned or
received. You have claimed the valor of real United States Navy
Veterans, some of whom gave up their lives doing what you lied about
doing. Yer disgustin' slime, Ray Haddad.
Give it up, moron.
Heh! Sez the Stolen Valor Thief who claimed to have bombed Hanoi in 1974.

* Your claim of spending two months flying over Hanoi on daily bombing
missions was based on your claim of being in the US Navy, which was
based on your claim of being drafted in 1970, BUT, Haddad--you were
NEVER drafted.

[ This space reserved for Sal towse and John Ashby to insist
that that doesn't mean that Ray Hadddad has NEVER stepped
foot on the USS Ranger. ]

* Your claim of rescuing people during the Fall of Saigon is built on
your lies of a "22 year military career" that NEVER happened, Haddad,
because you could NEVER have been drafted to begin with.

* Your claim of being "ordered, along with an entire battle group plus
some helicopters and some special forces troops to rescue some hostages
in Iran a couple of decades ago" is built on those same "military
career" lies of yours, Haddad. You were not "on the USS Nimitz at the
time" and you do not have "have photos and memories and lost friends to
prove it", Haddad.

* Your claim of feeding starving people in Bangladesh is built on those
same "military career" lies of yours, Haddad.

* Your claim of having "pulled burned bodies from airplane crashes and
gathered up pieces of same after a crash on the flight deck of the USS
Nimitz in 1980" and then taking "a break between body recovery for a
burger or two", and of valiantly putting out a magnesium fire (with *sea
water*, yet) below decks of that ship was a total pile of ridiculous
lies, AND they were all built on those same "military career" lies of
yours, Haddad.

* Your claim of having "a direct involvement in both attacks on Libya
having been stationed on USS Nimitz at the time" is built on those same
"military career" lies of yours, Haddad.

* Your claim of crying along with the widows and mothers of servicemen
killed in action when you supposedly broke the news to them as part of
your duties as a Navy Officer is built on those same "military career"
lies of yours, Haddad.

* You did not tour with Bob Hope/USO Christmas shows as a magician on
time off from being in the military because you were never drafted to
begin with, Haddad.

* You did not dodge and kill snipers in Vietnam, Haddad.

* You did not stare into the eyes of men trying to kill you in combat
in Vietnam, Haddad.

* You did not happen to run into an actress dressed only in a silk robe
while mortar shells fell around you in Vietnam, Haddad.

* You did not have lunch with Senator McCain and give him a tour of the
USS Nimitz, Haddad.

* You did not perform Magic Shows for orphans while in combat zones in
the jungles of Vietnam, Haddad.

* You did not save an aircraft carrier from a hurricane, Haddad.

* You do not have a "service record in paper form [that] was about 400
pages" when you retired from the Navy because you never got drafted to
begin with, Haddad.

* You did not "fire modified Phonix Missiles", Haddad.

* You were never in "naval aviation", Haddad.

* You were never in Memphis "for a year to learn electronics the US
Navy way", Haddad.

* You were never "trained on the computers and remote guidance systems
for missiles and bomb directing computers on the RA-5C Vigilante, the
A3D Skywarrior and A4 Skyhawk", Haddad.

* You never "learned the F-14 system and became an instructor for the
US Navy teaching many men and women how to do all that good stuff like
keeping the world free by using and maintaining superior technology",
Haddad.

* You never "had Admiral Zumwalt's son" in your unit because you never
belonged to a unit, Haddad.

* You have never "been to Canada as an OFFICIAL representative of the
United States government" on "diplomatic orders", Haddad.

* You have never served on "temporary duty on a Canadian warship",
Haddad.

* You were never in "a photo recon squadron" or part of the "RVAH-13 -
The Bats", Haddad.

* You never did *any* of the things you claimed to have done in yer
Stupid Military Career LIES, Haddad, because:


"Your whole '22 year military career' is a farce."

-- Miz Sylvia March 28 2007


<running around Haddad and chanting>

LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
BUSTED! BUSTED! BUSTED!


"I worked for Chuck Martinez Magicians' World in San Diego
at their Escondido shop (which I managed) in 1974-75 and was
paid at whatever the prevailing minimum wage was at the time."

-- Ray Haddad, San Diego Minimum Wage Store Clerk
http://tinyurl.com/23pbwd

<UNsnip!>
gawd! You don't even mention yer poor wife and children there--not
even ONCE! Shamey, shamey, Haddad! What the hell are ya tryin' to
pull with "Navy classes"? You were NEVER drafted, and nobody just
takes part time classes to study to get into the Navy! Was that some
ruse you pulled on poor Mrs. Haddad just so you could ooooh! get
some free magic tricks by working a few hours a day as a minimum
wage clerk when you had a WIFE and FIVE CHILDREN to support?
And, what happened to yer "continuous" 40 year world tour as a
professional magician wot ya claimed ya started when you were 9
years old? OMG! Was that ANOTHER lie, Ray Haddad?!
Oh, the humanity!
</UNsnip!>

"Why must it be asked? Who do you think you
are to question my service to my country?"

-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief

ME! I'm ME! Neener!

"I just believe that if Kerry raises the issue of
his service, he ought to at least stand up to the
scrutiny that he invited. "

-- Ray Haddad, the Epitome of Hypocrisy

<running around Haddad and chanting>

LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
BUSTED! BUSTED! BUSTED!
--
Sylvia

"[...] Congress passed 'The Stolen Valor Act of 2005,' which
makes it illegal not only to wear unauthorized medals but also
to make verbal or WRITTEN CLAIMS of being a recipient of
military medals."
-- ABC News http://tinyurl.com/ygo8lu

"I was a combatant. I earned my medals. You can have them
when I die, if you want. Until then, I'm very proud of them."

-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/2je2sd

"I earned every medal I was awarded"

-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/2qrew9

"She watches this with amusement, as any good retired
military wife would do. [...] She's seen my medals. Touched
them, even. She's been with me to see shipmates of mine.
Life is good down under."

-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/3dtea9

"It's not as easy as you think to volunteer for combat duty.
I was asked, and I stepped up to the plate without hesitation."

-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/39hjeo

"That and my 22 years of voluntary and honorable military service
to the United States of America doing my bit to preserve your
freedoms allows me to call myself a patriot. Each year for all of
those 22 years, I swore an oath to uphold, protect and defend
the Constitution of the United States of America, so help me
God. I did my bit."

-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/2wgv5w

"I fought a real enemy in a real war and had real
snipers shooting at me. I survived and many of them
didn't. For your sake, leave it at that. I'd hate to
see you getting into a lather over my combat record.
What war were you in, Alan?"

-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/3co89m
mitchell_leary
2007-08-31 10:38:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sylvia
<UNsnip!>
"[...] my only child under the age of 29 is living with
me [...] still be sending my 29 year old [...]"
-- Ray Haddad Aug 23 2000
http://tinyurl.com/3ba2uu
"I lost count after 6 kids and 5 grands."
-- Ray Haddad July 21 2003
http://tinyurl.com/28zuuu
So, Haddad, that means that yer fifth of six children was born in
1971...
<...>
"I found myself in the US military after being drafted
in 1970 and off to Vietnam for two tours as a volunteer."
-- Ray Haddad http://tinyurl.com/2usz44
</UNsnip!>
.
Clearly, you have no idea about what you are writing.
<chortle!>
That's *your* writing, Haddad, *your* claims. If you are *not* lying
about your own children, and you are *not* lying about your "22 year
military career", then you had five children by the time you were twenty
years old, four children when you claimed that you lost your student
deferment and got drafted in 1970...
... oh, but wait! As a father of four, you could not have been drafted,
so you, Ray Haddad, LIED about your "22 military career".
* You never got drafted because that would have been impossible.
* Your claim of being in the US Navy is based on your claim of being
drafted in 1970, but you never got drafted... so you never joined the
Navy or any other branch of the military.
* Your claim of having been in combat in Vietnam is based on your
having gotten drafted and joined the US Navy, BUT, Ray Haddad, you were
never drafted to begin with, so you could not have gone to Vietnam on
any US Navy aircraft carriers as you claimed.
* Your (years of) archived claims of having been AWARDED MILITARY
MEDALS is based on your claim of having fought in combat in Vietnam
while in the US Navy, after you got drafted in 1970... BUT, you never
got drafted.
Golly, Ray Haddad, you have been impersonating a US Serviceman--claiming
to be "senior person", to boot, which means an *officer* in the US Navy.
You, in writing, have claimed military awards that you never earned or
received. You have claimed the valor of real United States Navy
Veterans, some of whom gave up their lives doing what you lied about
doing. Yer disgustin' slime, Ray Haddad.
Give it up, moron.
Heh! Sez the Stolen Valor Thief who claimed to have bombed Hanoi in 1974.
* Your claim of spending two months flying over Hanoi on daily bombing
missions was based on your claim of being in the US Navy, which was
based on your claim of being drafted in 1970, BUT, Haddad--you were
NEVER drafted.
[ This space reserved for Sal towse and John Ashby to insist
that that doesn't mean that Ray Hadddad has NEVER stepped
foot on the USS Ranger. ]
* Your claim of rescuing people during the Fall of Saigon is built on
your lies of a "22 year military career" that NEVER happened, Haddad,
because you could NEVER have been drafted to begin with.
* Your claim of being "ordered, along with an entire battle group plus
some helicopters and some special forces troops to rescue some hostages
in Iran a couple of decades ago" is built on those same "military
career" lies of yours, Haddad. You were not "on the USS Nimitz at the
time" and you do not have "have photos and memories and lost friends to
prove it", Haddad.
* Your claim of feeding starving people in Bangladesh is built on those
same "military career" lies of yours, Haddad.
* Your claim of having "pulled burned bodies from airplane crashes and
gathered up pieces of same after a crash on the flight deck of the USS
Nimitz in 1980" and then taking "a break between body recovery for a
burger or two", and of valiantly putting out a magnesium fire (with *sea
water*, yet) below decks of that ship was a total pile of ridiculous
lies, AND they were all built on those same "military career" lies of
yours, Haddad.
* Your claim of having "a direct involvement in both attacks on Libya
having been stationed on USS Nimitz at the time" is built on those same
"military career" lies of yours, Haddad.
* Your claim of crying along with the widows and mothers of servicemen
killed in action when you supposedly broke the news to them as part of
your duties as a Navy Officer is built on those same "military career"
lies of yours, Haddad.
* You did not tour with Bob Hope/USO Christmas shows as a magician on
time off from being in the military because you were never drafted to
begin with, Haddad.
* You did not dodge and kill snipers in Vietnam, Haddad.
* You did not stare into the eyes of men trying to kill you in combat
in Vietnam, Haddad.
* You did not happen to run into an actress dressed only in a silk robe
while mortar shells fell around you in Vietnam, Haddad.
* You did not have lunch with Senator McCain and give him a tour of the
USS Nimitz, Haddad.
* You did not perform Magic Shows for orphans while in combat zones in
the jungles of Vietnam, Haddad.
* You did not save an aircraft carrier from a hurricane, Haddad.
* You do not have a "service record in paper form [that] was about 400
pages" when you retired from the Navy because you never got drafted to
begin with, Haddad.
* You did not "fire modified Phonix Missiles", Haddad.
* You were never in "naval aviation", Haddad.
* You were never in Memphis "for a year to learn electronics the US
Navy way", Haddad.
* You were never "trained on the computers and remote guidance systems
for missiles and bomb directing computers on the RA-5C Vigilante, the
A3D Skywarrior and A4 Skyhawk", Haddad.
* You never "learned the F-14 system and became an instructor for the
US Navy teaching many men and women how to do all that good stuff like
keeping the world free by using and maintaining superior technology",
Haddad.
* You never "had Admiral Zumwalt's son" in your unit because you never
belonged to a unit, Haddad.
* You have never "been to Canada as an OFFICIAL representative of the
United States government" on "diplomatic orders", Haddad.
* You have never served on "temporary duty on a Canadian warship",
Haddad.
* You were never in "a photo recon squadron" or part of the "RVAH-13 -
The Bats", Haddad.
* You never did *any* of the things you claimed to have done in yer
"Your whole '22 year military career' is a farce."
-- Miz Sylvia March 28 2007
<running around Haddad and chanting>
LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
BUSTED! BUSTED! BUSTED!
"I worked for Chuck Martinez Magicians' World in San Diego
at their Escondido shop (which I managed) in 1974-75 and was
paid at whatever the prevailing minimum wage was at the time."
-- Ray Haddad, San Diego Minimum Wage Store Clerk
http://tinyurl.com/23pbwd
<UNsnip!>
gawd! You don't even mention yer poor wife and children there--not
even ONCE! Shamey, shamey, Haddad! What the hell are ya tryin' to
pull with "Navy classes"? You were NEVER drafted, and nobody just
takes part time classes to study to get into the Navy! Was that some
ruse you pulled on poor Mrs. Haddad just so you could ooooh! get
some free magic tricks by working a few hours a day as a minimum
wage clerk when you had a WIFE and FIVE CHILDREN to support?
And, what happened to yer "continuous" 40 year world tour as a
professional magician wot ya claimed ya started when you were 9
years old? OMG! Was that ANOTHER lie, Ray Haddad?!
Oh, the humanity!
</UNsnip!>
"Why must it be asked? Who do you think you
are to question my service to my country?"
-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
ME! I'm ME! Neener!
"I just believe that if Kerry raises the issue of
his service, he ought to at least stand up to the
scrutiny that he invited. "
-- Ray Haddad, the Epitome of Hypocrisy
<running around Haddad and chanting>
LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
BUSTED! BUSTED! BUSTED!
--
Sylvia
"[...] Congress passed 'The Stolen Valor Act of 2005,' which
makes it illegal not only to wear unauthorized medals but also
to make verbal or WRITTEN CLAIMS of being a recipient of
military medals."
-- ABC News http://tinyurl.com/ygo8lu
"I was a combatant. I earned my medals. You can have them
when I die, if you want. Until then, I'm very proud of them."
-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/2je2sd
"I earned every medal I was awarded"
-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/2qrew9
"She watches this with amusement, as any good retired
military wife would do. [...] She's seen my medals. Touched
them, even. She's been with me to see shipmates of mine.
Life is good down under."
-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/3dtea9
"It's not as easy as you think to volunteer for combat duty.
I was asked, and I stepped up to the plate without hesitation."
-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/39hjeo
"That and my 22 years of voluntary and honorable military service
to the United States of America doing my bit to preserve your
freedoms allows me to call myself a patriot. Each year for all of
those 22 years, I swore an oath to uphold, protect and defend
the Constitution of the United States of America, so help me
God. I did my bit."
-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/2wgv5w
"I fought a real enemy in a real war and had real
snipers shooting at me. I survived and many of them
didn't. For your sake, leave it at that. I'd hate to
see you getting into a lather over my combat record.
What war were you in, Alan?"
-- Ray Haddad, Stolen Valor Thief
http://tinyurl.com/3co89m
...I'll hold her down while one of you guys pull her batteries out.
This same thing happened back on Christmas 1966 when I had to launch
an assault on my sister's "Giggles" doll after is almost drove me
stark f***ing insane!!!


-Leary-
Mark Lewis
2007-08-31 11:53:21 UTC
Permalink
Madam. This really is too much. You are not telling us anything new
here. We all know that Ray is a windbag. However he is OUR windbag not
yours. We must therefore protect him from you since he no longer seems
capable of protecting himself any more. Alas there is nothing more
vicious than a woman scorned and this is obviously a case of one of
Ray's old girl friends getting a tad irritated that he has moved to
Australia to let her fend for herself.

Moreover it is well known among us that he owns alt.magic and you are
abusing his hospitality by coming here and being rude to him in his
own territory where he kindly allows us all to linger.

Now do be a good girl and leave the chap alone. If he wishes to brag
and tell tall stories please let him do so. None of us believe him but
we accept him for what he is-an amusing old windbag. He is completely
harmless and if his worst crime is bragging I am sure we can handle
that.
Ray Haddad
2007-08-31 11:59:47 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:53:21 -0700, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Mark Lewis
Madam. This really is too much. You are not telling us anything new
here. We all know that Ray is a windbag. However he is OUR windbag not
yours. We must therefore protect him from you since he no longer seems
capable of protecting himself any more. Alas there is nothing more
vicious than a woman scorned and this is obviously a case of one of
Ray's old girl friends getting a tad irritated that he has moved to
Australia to let her fend for herself.
Moreover it is well known among us that he owns alt.magic and you are
abusing his hospitality by coming here and being rude to him in his
own territory where he kindly allows us all to linger.
Now do be a good girl and leave the chap alone. If he wishes to brag
and tell tall stories please let him do so. None of us believe him but
we accept him for what he is-an amusing old windbag. He is completely
harmless and if his worst crime is bragging I am sure we can handle
that.
Ah, good old Mark. It's been a while you old leprechaun.

How's tricks?
--
Ray
Burr
2007-09-01 02:38:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Lewis
Madam. This really is too much. You are not telling us anything new
here. We all know that Ray is a windbag. However he is OUR windbag not
yours. We must therefore protect him from you since he no longer seems
capable of protecting himself any more. Alas there is nothing more
vicious than a woman scorned and this is obviously a case of one of
Ray's old girl friends getting a tad irritated that he has moved to
Australia to let her fend for herself.
Moreover it is well known among us that he owns alt.magic and you are
abusing his hospitality by coming here and being rude to him in his
own territory where he kindly allows us all to linger.
Now do be a good girl and leave the chap alone. If he wishes to brag
and tell tall stories please let him do so. None of us believe him but
we accept him for what he is-an amusing old windbag. He is completely
harmless and if his worst crime is bragging I am sure we can handle
that.
Very well said Mark!

I was wanting to say something but, I don't care about here anymore!!!

Burr
Sylvia
2007-09-05 18:37:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Lewis
Madam. This really is too much.
"I was on his side on the ground that anyone that
argues with Ray Haddad can't be all bad."

-- Mark Lewis

And, why are ya talkin' as if ya represent the magic groups? You haven't
even been around since July 2006... wait, let me guess! Your return at
this time is... an AMAZIN' COINCIDENCE!
Post by Mark Lewis
You are not telling us anything new here.
Yer just pea-green with envy that I did a better job than you
(specifically) ever did, not that I didn't <chortle!> some of yer
passing' sarcastic remarks in reference to Ray Haddad havin' lied about
having "professional" magician, military, and business owner careers..
Post by Mark Lewis
We all know that Ray is a windbag.
ITYMTS "compulsively lying dishonorable weasel".
Post by Mark Lewis
However he is OUR windbag not yours.
gawd! I can't believe anyone would want to claim him! That said, if ya
*really* own him then yer guilty of irresponsible pet ownership--what
with lettin' him run about loose in Usenet.
Post by Mark Lewis
We must therefore protect him from you
<laughing>

Did ya see his posts whinin' for group sympathy, claimin' that a
"girlie" was goin' to "destroy" him? A "child"?
Post by Mark Lewis
since he no longer seems capable of protecting himself any more.
"Protecting"? No. He no longer seems capable of *attacking* successfully
enough to drive someone away (or to make them back down). See, Ray
Haddad uses the same nasty techniques he always has...

<third best smile>

... he just got a lot of reactions he wasn't expectin' and couldn't
think how to react to them except with more lies and attacks... which
generated more [WHAP!]s to his head.

Many misc.writing peeps react to him with... well, it's as if this guy:
http://www.counterfeitmini.com/main.swf (if ya add 60 years to his age)
were Haddad (swing yer curser across his face).
Post by Mark Lewis
Alas there is nothing more vicious than a woman scorned and this is obviously a case of one of
Ray's old girl friends
<...>

<rolling across lovely wood floors in fit of laughter!>

"Girlfriends"? *Ray Haddad*? gawd! He is a proven misogynist. What is
the gender of the people y'all have seen Haddad befriend as a "mentor",
take to email, and then publicly, viciously scorn?
Post by Mark Lewis
Moreover it is well known among us that he owns alt.magic
Eric H.: "Ray seems to think he's some form of god here
and everywhere and knows everything about
everything. It's time he learn he's mortal."

Ray Haddad: "Eric, Compared to you, I am a god.

"Remember, it's YOU who said this, not me. Since
when is it YOUR job to prove I am mortal to me?
Sounds like some sort of god complex to me. You
should get help before you start thinking you
can do anything you want without consequences."
http://tinyurl.com/ys3aue
Post by Mark Lewis
and you are abusing his hospitality by coming here
Actually, I'm still over here. <waving> See? I don't have time to
subscribe to y'all as Haddad suggested.
Post by Mark Lewis
and being rude to him in his own territory where he kindly allows us all to linger.
Ray Haddad: "[...] Your lame attempts at attention are getting more and
more immature. Keep it up, boy. You'll be wishing you hadn't very soon.
When you swim with sharks, expect to get eaten. You've been warned,
child."

Magical Domain: "Oh my, Ray, how rude of you. Do you want me to leave?
[...] Seems the netcop in you is rearing it's ugly, mishapen head once
again. [...] I guess we'll both just have to learn to co-exist."
[...]
Ray Haddad: "[...] You seem to like hiding behind anonymity and I am
absolutely positive you fear your own details being made public. Had you
made them public on your first day here, no one would even bother with
them.

"Since you took on me, a popular figure here, you now run the risk
of having hundreds of my supporters calling you and harassing you. I can
surely see why you want to stay in the closet where you belong.

"Keep swimming with sharks, boy. You'll get eaten. This is no
threat. I'm trying to help you here. Trust me. I'm your best friend.

Ashlar Taltos: "Ray, Just a quick note..... I wouldn't call somone to
harrass them, supporter of you or not Ray. I'm sure others feel the
same..."

Brad (BGSTEEL): "I am not sure a 'popular figure' here is the right
word. I also doubt anyone here would call and harass someone to defend
you or your post."

Ray Haddad: "Brad, I'm more popular now than ever. My e-mail basket
overfloweth. Regarding your second point, my e-mail is 4 to 1 in favor
of getting the pitchforks and torches out when they find out who this
fellow is."

http://tinyurl.com/33h6n2
Post by Mark Lewis
Now do be a good girl and leave the chap alone.
"I am sure that you are the first millionaire to ever arrive on
alt.magic. Ray Haddad has 2000 or so companies but hasn't
made it yet. If he had he would be the first one to tell us."

-- Mark Lewis

"He still can't beat Ray Haddad, though. The old coot is
unsinkable. If the French couldn't do it at the battle of
Trafalgar, then Eric doesn't stand a chance."

-- Mark Lewis
Post by Mark Lewis
If he wishes to brag and tell tall stories please let him do so.
<chortle!>

Hello? If he didn't I'd be out of fresh "In Haddad's Own Words" proof.
Post by Mark Lewis
None of us believe him
Ray Haddad: "YOU have to prove you are NOT a liar, a thief and an
expositor in order to clear anything up here."

AncientMagician: "Uh, wrong again, nutjob. You brought forth all your
crappy accusations *here* In Public. *You* try proving them here In
Public where you've made them. [...]

"More *perfect examples* of what a genuine Scumbag *Ray Haddad*
really is as he continues his baseless Public Smear Campaigns, Public
Character, Reputation, and Career Assassinations, Harrassment, and
Extortion all simply because he's pissed off that nobody will let him
literally be able to Censor what *Other People* can or cannot write on
The Internet without first passing it through *Ray Haddad* for approval."
http://tinyurl.com/28m3lm
Post by Mark Lewis
but we
Were ya voted "Magic Groups Representative to Speak for All"?
Post by Mark Lewis
accept him for what he is-an amusing old windbag.
Ray Haddad: "You have denied sending me e-mail messages about how your
mother murdered your father and your brothers beat you up. I am
enclosing those wonderful pieces of mail from you in PatMail.zip. Use th
address above for the best laugh of your life. Gotcha one more time,
Pat! I laughed so hard I nearly hurt myself permanently."

AncientMagician: "[...] I *never* denied telling you the *private*
story of circumstances surrounding my Father's Murder [...]

"Here's just *one* slimy way that *Ray Haddad* likes to use to maintain
Censorship and Control Freak powers over *alt.magic.secrets*. See, heh,
Ray takes you into 'private email' to, say, 'work out a difference'. He
then 'becomes your bestest Friend For Life', gets you to 'open up' to
him, learns about your pain, your suffering, your wishes, your fears,
whatever he can leech out of you.

"And *then*, LOL, Ray comes back here to *alt.magic.secrets* and
starts *printing* it to try to EXTORT you into "stopping writing
whatever it is that *you* want to write in alt.magic.secrets on The
Internet" because *Ray Haddad Doesn't Want To See You Write That* [...]"
http://tinyurl.com/27g4a7
Post by Mark Lewis
He is completely harmless
Ray Haddad: "Eric, If I were you, I'd stay out of this one. In
fact, one more word from you and I will call your
your office and speak with you there. I'll tell
you over the phone all those details you think
are so hidden. [...]

" It should come as no surprise to
you that your family members are so, so happy
that a friend of yours would call all the way
from Australia. Do you suppose they were eager
to confirm that the number I had was correct?"

"Your move, Eric. Keeping silent WAS your best
move yet. Is the next move to keep making
mistakes?" http://tinyurl.com/yrd3jn
Post by Mark Lewis
and if his worst crime is bragging
"[...] Congress passed 'The Stolen Valor Act of 2005,' which
makes it illegal not only to wear unauthorized medals but also
to make verbal or WRITTEN CLAIMS of being a recipient of
military medals."
-- ABC News http://tinyurl.com/ygo8lu

"I was a combatant. I earned my medals. You can have them
when I die, if you want. Until then, I'm very proud of them."

-- Ray Haddad, who refuses to offer any
credentials of his claimed military service

In addition, should Ray Haddad set foot in certain states of the US,
he'd also be guilty of repeated violations of a law against written (as
in Usenet posts) or verbal fraudulent use of the title of (military)
"veteran"--a second violation alone makes it a felony crime, doncha know.

And, of course, the old law Federal law against "impersonating an
officer or employee of the United States" still stands (that includes
impersonating an enlisted man).

"As a SENIOR MILITARY PERSON, that task often falls on
our shoulders and WE ARE TRAINED in the matter. [...]"

-- Ray Haddad, would be Commissioned Officer, posted to
misc.writing group 12/29/2002 http://tinyurl.com/359694

[ This space reserved for Ray Haddad to prove his slow-wittedness
by, once again, whining: "Now, lets get this out in the open,
Sylvia. Are you claiming that I have broken this law?" ]
Post by Mark Lewis
I am sure we can handle that.
'K.

"A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually
be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime [...]
Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in
the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy." [1]
--
Sylvia

[1]
http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/aiding_abetting_accessory.html

"I am a strange type of reverend because I don't believe in God.
Ray Haddad does but I think he is referring to himself."

-- Mark Lewis
Sylvia
2007-09-02 23:29:43 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
mitchell_leary <***@yahoo.com> wrote:


BTW, Mitchell, thanks for confirming the truth about Ray Haddad's age
(which, of course, makes him waaaaaay to old to have gone to Vietnam).
Hey! Remember seven years ago when *you* posted about his fake military
career?

"Why don't you admit you're the phoney in this group.
You claim to have served in the U.S. military yet
somehow all of your records vanished and they said
they've never heard of you."

-- Mitchell Leary to Ray Haddad
"Ray Haddad's Military Service: Non-Existant"
http://tinyurl.com/yub3x9

Good show.

So, what are ya gettin' Ray Haddad for his 80th birthday next month?
<...>
Post by mitchell_leary
Post by Sylvia
Clearly, you have no idea about what you are writing.
<chortle!>
That's *your* writing, Haddad, *your* claims. If you are *not* lying
about your own children, and you are *not* lying about your "22 year
military career", then you had five children by the time you were twenty
years old, four children when you claimed that you lost your student
deferment and got drafted in 1970...
... oh, but wait! As a father of four, you could not have been drafted,
so you, Ray Haddad, LIED about your "22 military career".
* You never got drafted because that would have been impossible.
<...>
Post by mitchell_leary
Post by Sylvia
"I worked for Chuck Martinez Magicians' World in San Diego
at their Escondido shop (which I managed) in 1974-75 and was
paid at whatever the prevailing minimum wage was at the time."
-- Ray Haddad, San Diego Minimum Wage Store Clerk
http://tinyurl.com/23pbwd
<...>
Post by mitchell_leary
...I'll hold her down while one of you guys pull her batteries out.
This same thing happened back on Christmas 1966 when I had to launch
an assault on my sister's "Giggles" doll after is almost drove me
stark f***ing insane!!!
-Leary-
Golly, did Ray Haddad hold you down and pull your batteries after he
launched an email support attack on you for daring to disagree with his
Control Freak magic group posting rules, and you started postin' stuff
like:

"I understand you send a e-mail to almost everyone who takes
me on or posts something that you think would start a war
with me. Why don't you admit you're the phoney in this
group. You claim to have served in the U.S. military yet
somehow all of your records vanished and they said they've
never heard of you. Several members of this group checked.
Dishonorable discharge wasn't it Ray? You can't vote or own
a gun now. Then theres the fact that you had to leave the
United States in a hurry and moved to Australia. Did you
change your name?

"You can make me out to be the phoney, but all someone has
to do is start investigating you and they find out who the
real phoney is."

-- Mitchell Leary to Ray Haddad
"Ray Haddad's Military Service: Non-Existant"
http://tinyurl.com/yub3x9

Shame, really. 'Cause now you cheer him on while he attacks other people
the same way he attacked you.
--
Sylvia

Join us in morbid fascination as we note that Ray Haddad not only
doesn't grasp that the behavior he defends is vile as he ridicules
people who believe otherwise, but that he believes he is being *clever*
in making his "points". This exchange is chock full of CLASSICAL Ray
Haddad tactics and self-screwing.

[NOTE: "modeling" refers to radio-controlled air models ]

Six_O'Clock_High: "Ray, Your comments about MY personal information
pertains to the issue at hand as slot car racing does to religion."

Ray Haddad: "Jim, Your comment here is not relevant. It has no meaning
whatever. [...]"

Six_O'Clock_High: "The issue is bringing my FAMILY into a modeling
discussion when your friends other arguments were proven to be
inaccurate and ineffective. If you feel it is good to include innocent
people in your fights to solve your problems, you are almost as 'good'
as the folks who took over the planes on 9/11/01. Godwin's Law not
withstanding."
[...]

Ray Haddad: "The internet white pages data on you was posted here. Big
deal. It was already posted on other parts of the internet by your
choice. Then it got posted here. Are you so frightened now because of
that? Did any evil befall you? Actually, you're probably happy it
happened because it gives you a fabulous straw man argument here."

Six_O'Clock_High: "Ray, I am glad you are in Australia, they can keep
the likes of you. The issue is NOT where and what information is
available about anyone. [...]"

Ray Haddad: "Jim, You are in a public place. I am, as well. What about
that do you fail to understand?"

Six_O'Clock_High: "Let me say it again, the issue is, was, and will be
a function of scope. Obviously you feel it is a good thing to take your
personal arguments to uninvolved innocent parties who happen to be
related by marriage."

Ray Haddad: "You are in a public place. I am, as well. What about that
do you fail to understand?"

Six_O'Clock_High: "In unequivocal terms, that says that you are lower
that whale feces. Unfortunately that is not a surprise as it seems to be
a common trait in with group you support. "

[NOTE: This portion starts here: http://tinyurl.com/3b9y5p ]
Ray Haddad
2007-09-02 23:49:41 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:29:43 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Sylvia
BTW, Mitchell, thanks for confirming the truth about Ray Haddad's age
(which, of course, makes him waaaaaay to old to have gone to Vietnam).
Hey! Remember seven years ago when *you* posted about his fake military
career?
"Why don't you admit you're the phoney in this group.
You claim to have served in the U.S. military yet
somehow all of your records vanished and they said
they've never heard of you."
-- Mitchell Leary to Ray Haddad
"Ray Haddad's Military Service: Non-Existant"
http://tinyurl.com/yub3x9
Tell me you don't believe that Mitch has access to military records
any more than you do, Sylvia. Either you're the biggest moron that
ever existed or this is further proof of your dishonesty.
--
Ray
Mark Lewis
2007-09-03 00:05:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ray Haddad
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:29:43 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Sylvia
BTW, Mitchell, thanks for confirming the truth about Ray Haddad's age
(which, of course, makes him waaaaaay to old to have gone to Vietnam).
Hey! Remember seven years ago when *you* posted about his fake military
career?
"Why don't you admit you're the phoney in this group.
You claim to have served in the U.S. military yet
somehow all of your records vanished and they said
they've never heard of you."
-- Mitchell Leary to Ray Haddad
"Ray Haddad's Military Service: Non-Existant"
http://tinyurl.com/yub3x9
Tell me you don't believe that Mitch has access to military records
any more than you do, Sylvia. Either you're the biggest moron that
ever existed or this is further proof of your dishonesty.
--
Ray- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ray is much older than he appears. It is well known as an
introconvertible fact that he was in His Majesty's Navy during the
battle of Trafalgar. This has been thoroughly documented as proven
fact in alt.magic for many years. And we all know that what is written
here should be regarded as gospel.

I challenge Sylvia to refute the truth of Ray's presence on HMS
Victory at Trafalgar. In my capacity as a psychic medium I have been
in touch with Admiral Nelson who confirms the matter. He recalls Ray
doing card tricks at the time to help the crew get some sleep.
Ray Haddad
2007-09-03 03:11:50 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:05:40 -0700, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Mark Lewis
I challenge Sylvia to refute the truth of Ray's presence on HMS
Victory at Trafalgar. In my capacity as a psychic medium I have been
in touch with Admiral Nelson who confirms the matter. He recalls Ray
doing card tricks at the time to help the crew get some sleep.
Well, there you go, Sylvia. You're not officially a laughingstock on
the magic newsgroups. Happy now?
--
Ray
Stan (the Man)
2007-09-03 13:32:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ray Haddad
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:05:40 -0700, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Mark Lewis
I challenge Sylvia to refute the truth of Ray's presence on HMS
Victory at Trafalgar. In my capacity as a psychic medium I have been
in touch with Admiral Nelson who confirms the matter. He recalls Ray
doing card tricks at the time to help the crew get some sleep.
Well, there you go, Sylvia. You're not officially a laughingstock on
the magic newsgroups. Happy now?
--
Ray
Candygram for Dr. Freud.

--
Stan
Ray Haddad
2007-09-03 15:10:40 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:32:15 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Stan (the Man)
Post by Ray Haddad
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:05:40 -0700, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Mark Lewis
I challenge Sylvia to refute the truth of Ray's presence on HMS
Victory at Trafalgar. In my capacity as a psychic medium I have been
in touch with Admiral Nelson who confirms the matter. He recalls Ray
doing card tricks at the time to help the crew get some sleep.
Well, there you go, Sylvia. You're not officially a laughingstock on
the magic newsgroups. Happy now?
Candygram for Dr. Freud.
Freudian slip: When you say one thing and mean your mother.
--
Ray
Sylvia
2007-09-06 01:41:58 UTC
Permalink
.
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Mark Lewis
I challenge Sylvia to refute the truth of Ray's presence on HMS
Victory at Trafalgar. In my capacity as a psychic medium I have been
in touch with Admiral Nelson who confirms the matter. He recalls Ray
doing card tricks at the time to help the crew get some sleep.
<chortle!>
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Ray Haddad
Well, there you go, Sylvia. You're not officially a laughingstock on
the magic newsgroups.
Your ability to grasp the obvious is... well, obvious.

[ This space reserved for Ray Haddad's
"ability to grasp the obvious" IKYABWAI reply]
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Ray Haddad
Happy now?
"When do you see me attacking anyone with
such veracity as Sylvia?"

-- The Inimitable Ray Haddad

<rolling across floor in laughter>

Yep!
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Ray Haddad
Candygram for Dr. Freud.
.
Post by Ray Haddad
Freudian slip: When you say one thing and mean your mother.
<aside>
Humo(u)r Haddad, folks--he's almost 80 years old--he remembers when that
joke was new.
--
Sylvia

Mr. Hope: "Was that when you were being a professional killer?"

Ray Haddad: "Professional? Where did you get that from?"

Mr. Hope: "Did you not say you used to kill people for a living?"

Ray Haddad: "That's correct. That doesn't make me a professional.
Look it up."

Dr Zen: "I did. My dictionary has 'Performed by persons
receiving pay'.

"You using Ray's Magick Dictionary again? "
Sylvia
2007-09-05 19:55:02 UTC
Permalink
.
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Mark Lewis
I challenge Sylvia to refute the truth of Ray's presence on HMS
Victory at Trafalgar.> > In my capacity as a psychic medium I have been
in touch with Admiral Nelson who confirms the matter. He recalls Ray
doing card tricks at the time to help the crew get some sleep.
Haddad coulda just told them his other war stories... no, wait--that
would make them laugh or hurl.
Post by Ray Haddad
Well, there you go, Sylvia. You're not officially a laughingstock on
the magic newsgroups.
'Course not, Haddad... you *do* see that he's makin' fun of yer "Master
Magician" career claim as well as yer advanced age, right?
Post by Ray Haddad
Happy now?
I usually am, thenk yew.


Miz Sylvia: "[...] <turning to the accused> Haddad? What say you?"

" 'I agree and admit that I use any means to put
forth my views.'

" - - Ray Haddad http://tinyurl.com/2on9sw

" <slamming down petite gavel>

" Ray Haddad is GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!
and *most* deserving of his reputation
'as a fuckwitted liar'. "

Iam who Iam: "All right! Sylvia, I have a new hero in magic! "

[ Thread: "Testimonials on Ray Haddad's Propensity for Lying"
http://tinyurl.com/25pwac ]
--
Sylvia

Iam who Iam: "First thing, I've not logged in for many months
because of all the prima donas bitching about
'stealing!' There IS such a thing as parallel
development [...]

"Try to be entertaining and achieve technical
perfection as an entertainer instead of being
just another medocre jealousy motivated hack
engaging everyone better than you are in turf
battles over trivia!"

Ray Haddad: "Perhaps you should rethink your return to
alt.magic? You may not be ready.

Iam who Iam: " 'It is better to keep silent and let people believe
you are a fool, than to open your mouth and
prove it beyond all doubt" - A Lincoln

"Actually Ray .... you are correct. I am really
not ready for this, I am light years beyond it!
Life is too short to get into baseless pissing
contests about nothing. We should be
collectively learning as much as possible about
what has already been done and master an effect
before trying to think up new methods and
reinventing the wheel, instead of name calling
and finger pointing at somebody else doing a
100 year-old routine. [...]"
http://tinyurl.com/36v6jd
Sylvia
2007-09-06 07:01:36 UTC
Permalink
Mark Lewis <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<...>
.
Post by Mark Lewis
Post by Sylvia
BTW, Mitchell, thanks for confirming the truth about Ray Haddad's age
(which, of course, makes him waaaaaay to old to have gone to Vietnam).
Hey! Remember seven years ago when *you* posted about his fake military
career?
"Why don't you admit you're the phoney in this group.
You claim to have served in the U.S. military yet
somehow all of your records vanished and they said
they've never heard of you."
-- Mitchell Leary to Ray Haddad
"Ray Haddad's Military Service: Non-Existant"
http://tinyurl.com/yub3x9
<...>
.
Post by Mark Lewis
Ray is much older than he appears. It is well known as an
introconvertible fact that he was in His Majesty's Navy during the
battle of Trafalgar. This has been thoroughly documented as proven
fact in alt.magic for many years.
What about the H.M.S. Pinafore?
Post by Mark Lewis
And we all know that what is written here should be regarded as gospel.
Yeah, well, over *here*...

"You've been caught lying so many times on this newsgroup
Ray, and have been called on it by so many people, myself
included, I'm stunned that you would think that anyone
believes even one word you say."

-- Miz PJ to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/244b3u

"I do know that he lies about what people have written."

-- Miz Pandora (Marg) to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2j78jv

"Why do you always feel the need to lie, Ray?"

- Mr. McClelland to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2ghbrd

"Ray is getting worse, isn't he? All this lying stuff."

-- Miz gekko to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/366o69

"As always, one can only marvel at your ability to
combine a finely-honed sense of witlessness with
a solid command of dishonesty."

-- Joshua P. Hill to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/yro6yr

"I have to give you a nod for your relentless lying in
the face of the facts, Ray. There's something so
beautifully childlike about it. "

-- Miz Ultraviolet to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2ferxs

"You are a demonstrated liar (which was kind of
the original motivation for this thread)."

-- Bil Greene to Ray Haddad,
"The haddad enquiry... a recap"
http://tinyurl.com/286toh

"That's because you're stupid, you lie and you're
a stupid liar. And not a very good one. "

- Mr. Hope to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/28tnny
Post by Mark Lewis
I challenge Sylvia to refute the truth of Ray's presence on HMS
Victory at Trafalgar. In my capacity as a psychic medium I have been
in touch with Admiral Nelson who confirms the matter.
Are *you* why Ray Haddad calls peeps who channel "completely whacked"
and "crazy as a loon"? It's a sore spot with him, innit. Lookit:
http://tinyurl.com/2w2phx I gather that he can't.
Post by Mark Lewis
He recalls Ray doing card tricks at the time to help the crew get
some sleep.
"Alex, I'll take "Ray Haddad & History" for $500."


Miz Bernie: "[...] Your suggestion that it takes a superior army to
win a war hardly holds water when you consider:-

"(1415) Agincourt, where the young King Henry V of
England, with about 1000 longbowmen, defeated a
French army four times its strength and armed with
the more modern crossbows. [other examples snipped]

"There are many other examples where courage, a good
cause and steady support has won out against all odds. [...]"

Ray Haddad: "I'm retired from the US military, Bernie. All of the
above battles and wars had logistics issues which
the smaller forces used to their advantage. There
were no such logistic advantages at work in
Ireland except the use of terror."

Dr Zen: "This is why we call you stupid. You're willing to say
stupid things about subjects you know absolutely
nothing about."

Ray Haddad: "Now here we are going to have to differ, mate.
I absolutely know a great deal about being in
battle. Do you?

Dr Zen: "Do I need to know anything about being in battle
to know whether the French suffered logistics
problems at Agincourt?"

"Who had logistics problems at Agincourt? [...]"

Ray Haddad: "The French had mud to wade through making them
sitting ducks for the English. That one was too easy."

Dr Zen: "Tell me he didn't write that.

"Someone assure me that Ray didn't claim that not
being able to wade through mud is a *logistics*
problem."

"Why did Henry fight it despite the odds is your
follow-up. Anyone?"

Ray Haddad: "He had no choice."

Dr Zen: "Shut the fuck up. You're so far beyond clueless
as to be irredeemable."

Chef Pastorio: "I'm uncertain here. Is that a tone of astonishment
I detect leaking from your prose? Perhaps one of
those - how do you say in the English - ironical
statements? And may I call you Shirley...?"
http://tinyurl.com/yqv7qj
--
Sylvia

Miz Sylvia: "And, throwing his hat into the ring for
'STUPIDEST MW Poster of the Month' ,

" Ray Haddad wrote:"
.
Ray Haddad: " [...] It was presumed that the Viet Cong wouldn't
like us bombing them [...]

Miz Sylvia: "Priceless. (you just can't make up stuff like that)"

http://tinyurl.com/2vv725
Sylvia
2007-09-03 03:34:08 UTC
Permalink
.
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Sylvia
BTW, Mitchell, thanks for confirming the truth about Ray Haddad's age
(which, of course, makes him waaaaaay to old to have gone to Vietnam).
Hey! Remember seven years ago when *you* posted about his fake military
career?
"Why don't you admit you're the phoney in this group.
You claim to have served in the U.S. military yet
somehow all of your records vanished and they said
they've never heard of you."
-- Mitchell Leary to Ray Haddad
"Ray Haddad's Military Service: Non-Existant"
http://tinyurl.com/yub3x9
Tell me you don't believe that Mitch has access to military records
any more than you do, Sylvia.
I made no such claim, Haddad--your friend, Mitchell Leary said he
checked out your records. See up there? ^ Are you saying that your
friend, Mitchell Leary, is a liar?
Post by Ray Haddad
Either you're the biggest moron that
ever existed or this is further proof of your dishonesty.
I made no such claim, Haddad--your friend, Mitchell Leary said he
checked out your records. See up there? ^

So Mitchell, Haddad wants to know if you consider yourself "the biggest
moron that ever existed or [is this] further proof of your dishonesty".

<UNsnip!>
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Sylvia
Good show.
So, what are ya gettin' Ray Haddad for his 80th birthday next month?
I'd reconsider getting Ray Haddad anything for his birthday, Mitchell,
even if he is turning 80 years old. I mean, here you went to all the
trouble of announcing that Haddad had this very special birthday coming
up and now lookit how he's saying you lied about his lack of military
records.

Try to do an old, old man a favor and he stabs ya in the back. Shameful,
innit.
--
Sylvia

Mr. Coulter: "At other times, you've also boasted of having people
removed from the group by the means of contacting
their ISP to report them for abuse. You've
mentioned of starting letter-writing campaigns to
get others in trouble. This creates an atmosphere
of mistrust."

Ray Haddad: "I, and others here, have been forced to contact ISPs
to report users' abuse. In two cases, they were
removed. This is not boasting, this is a fact. As
to the threats, if you read some past messages
VERY carefully, you'll see that those threats to
have someone removed from their ISP's service
were NEVER made by me.

"I just quietly did it without threats or boasting.
Those threats or boasts were made by supporters.
Both of those I reported were threatening me,
others in the group and abusing this forum
against USENET rules. Their ISPs made the choice
to terminate them. [...]"

Mr. Coulter: "The reason that such newsgroups as alt.magic and
alt.magic.secrets exist is for people of all ages
and all skills to join together and learn new
things without being threatened as an exposer and
be reported to their ISP for asking a simple
question. With all due respect Ray, this group
is not moderated --- and we don't need a
self-appointed moderator."

Ray Haddad: "I've never done such a thing. All I have ever done
is acknowledge that people come here for help and
to learn. I simply ADVOCATE communicating secrets
by e-mail which is private."

[NOTE: Group name: alt.magic.secrets ]

Mr. Coulter: "This group is meant for all of us, not just the
chosen few such as yourself who decide what
can be posted and by who."
[...]
Ray Haddad: "Before you criticize me in the future I would
recommend that you send me an e-mail and ask
what I was referring to in a post. That way the
other readers of this forum will not be subjected
to long posts. "
http://tinyurl.com/2c88zu
Ray Haddad
2007-09-03 03:41:18 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:34:08 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Sylvia
.
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Sylvia
BTW, Mitchell, thanks for confirming the truth about Ray Haddad's age
(which, of course, makes him waaaaaay to old to have gone to Vietnam).
Hey! Remember seven years ago when *you* posted about his fake military
career?
"Why don't you admit you're the phoney in this group.
You claim to have served in the U.S. military yet
somehow all of your records vanished and they said
they've never heard of you."
-- Mitchell Leary to Ray Haddad
"Ray Haddad's Military Service: Non-Existant"
http://tinyurl.com/yub3x9
Tell me you don't believe that Mitch has access to military records
any more than you do, Sylvia.
I made no such claim, Haddad--your friend, Mitchell Leary said he
checked out your records. See up there? ^ Are you saying that your
friend, Mitchell Leary, is a liar?
I asked if you believed him, you moron. I never accused you of
making a claim. Read for clarity next time.
--
Ray
Ray Haddad
2007-08-31 11:50:30 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:34:25 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
LIAR
Yes, Sylvia. Everyone is clear now that you are a liar.
--
Ray
Pies de Arcilla
2007-08-31 16:00:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ray Haddad
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:34:25 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
LIAR
Yes, Sylvia. Everyone is clear now that you are a liar.
--
Ray
You've said a lot of inconsistent things, so she's arbitrarily
pretending to believe some of them and not others. You ought not to
read her as literally saying that, of your statements, x is true and y
is not where what she is really saying is that x and y can't _both_ be
true.
Ray Haddad
2007-08-31 20:17:54 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:00:46 -0700, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Pies de Arcilla
Post by Ray Haddad
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:34:25 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
LIAR
Yes, Sylvia. Everyone is clear now that you are a liar.
You've said a lot of inconsistent things, so she's arbitrarily
pretending to believe some of them and not others. You ought not to
read her as literally saying that, of your statements, x is true and y
is not where what she is really saying is that x and y can't _both_ be
true.
I haven't written anything inconsistent, Pies. Seriously. She simply
takes glee in pretending this is the case. Her joy, I guess.
Whatever her reasons, she's painting herself as one obsessed and
crazy individual.
--
Ray
Sylvia
2007-09-02 22:55:02 UTC
Permalink
<...>
Post by Ray Haddad
Post by Pies de Arcilla
You ought not to read her as literally saying that, of your
statements, x is true and y is not where what she is really saying
is that x and y can't _both_ be true.
.
Post by Ray Haddad
I haven't written anything inconsistent, Pies.
For example:

"[...] my only child under the age of 29 is living with
me [...] still be sending my 29 year old [...]"

-- Ray Haddad Aug 23 2000
http://tinyurl.com/3ba2uu

"I lost count after 6 kids and 5 grands."

-- Ray Haddad July 21 2003
http://tinyurl.com/28zuuu

So, Haddad, according to you, that means that yer fifth of six children
was born in 1971, when you were 20 years old. And, yet you claim:

"I found myself in the US military after being drafted
in 1970 and off to Vietnam for two tours as a volunteer."

-- Ray Haddad http://tinyurl.com/2usz44
Post by Ray Haddad
Seriously.
Seriously, Haddad. How could you have even started yer "22 year military
career" if you weren't even eligible to be drafted to begin with?
Post by Ray Haddad
She simply takes glee in pretending this is the case. Her joy, I guess.
No, I am not pretending. And, *this* is your glee:

"ONLY 256 Americans WERE KILLED while more than 100,000
Iraqi soldiers WERE KILLED in Operation Desert Storm.

"I STILL DANCE WITH GLEE over that set of Iraqi statistics.
I LOVE them. I REVEL in them. I absolutely and unequivocally am
appreciative of them.."

-- Ray "Dancing on War Graves" Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2ev3fd

(emphasis, mine).
Post by Ray Haddad
Whatever her reasons, she's painting herself as one obsessed and
crazy individual.
Dr Zen: "You are clearly obsessed."

Ray Haddad: "Nah. I'm just right and I like to rub your face in it.
http://tinyurl.com/2ggotv

--
Sylvia

"Pat Shanley long ago became a master magician after studying about
that on the World Wide Web where all information is available and you
need no teacher but yourself. [...] Pat has surpassed all of us in
knowledge and ability after a mere 11 months of devoted study of magic
methods posted on web pages hastily put together by 13 year old magic
expositors. "

-- Ray Haddad, the Epitomy of Hypocrisy in a Smear Campaign
http://tinyurl.com/ywndvz

Recommended Reading:

* * * Ray Haddad's Fake "Master Magician" Career * * *

Ray Haddad: Fetal Amateur Magician to Half A Century of Experience as
"Professional Magician"
http://tinyurl.com/265zup

"Ray Haddad's Decades of Experience Magically Shrink Before Your Eyes!"
http://tinyurl.com/2xbhtr

Ray Haddad's MAGIC Reverse Aging Trick
http://tinyurl.com/ytcvnm

Ray Haddad's Illusions Aren't Magic
http://tinyurl.com/26v3eu

* * * Fake Careers in General * * *

RAY HADDAD BRAGS: Portrait of a Busy Bee
http://tinyurl.com/2wcjun
Sylvia
2007-09-02 22:36:26 UTC
Permalink
[ NOTE: Haddad snips proof of his lies]
Post by Pies de Arcilla
Post by Ray Haddad
LIAR
.
Post by Pies de Arcilla
Post by Ray Haddad
Yes, Sylvia. Everyone is clear now that you are a liar.
You've said a lot of inconsistent things,
<nodding>
Post by Pies de Arcilla
so she's arbitrarily pretending to believe some of them and not
others.
Not quite. I don't believe any of his lies 'cause I proved them to be
lies. I'm just comparin' his lies to prove that Ray Haddad can't even
keep his various Fantasy Lives from clashing.
Post by Pies de Arcilla
You ought not to read her as literally saying that, of your
statements, x is true and y is not
Correct.
Post by Pies de Arcilla
where what she is really saying is that x and y can't _both_ be true.
It's like introducin' Ray Haddad Fantasy Lives Matter to Ray Haddad
Fantasy Lives Anti-Matter--the result is that all of Ray Haddad's
Fantasy Lives destruct.

Every time Ray Haddad tries to again bully some poster by playin' his
Authority cards, he knows that that poster (and/or others) can laugh at
him, pointing to already cited proof and say:

"gawd, Haddad! You have NO authority! You've NEVER been
a 'Master Magician' (22 year military vet, chef, electrical
engineer, writer, 'fabulously wealthy' anything, international
business owner, etc.)! Who do you think you are, telling people
that they aren't worthy of having an opinion of their own?

"You're nothing but a pathetic Walter Mitty-esque Wannabe!
You do lousy research which you present as personal
experience, and then you attack people with smear campaigns
rather than admit you lied."

<beaming!>

Neat, huh?
--
Sylvia

"Ray, you shoot off your fucking mouth again and again without
ever having the foggiest notion of what you're talking about. Your posts
are a constant stream of fantasy and confabulation [...] You make claims
and are asked for cites and can't provide them. You quote cites that
contradict what you said by 180 degrees."


-- Joshua P. Hill to Ray Haddad http://tinyurl.com/2sw8u6
Sylvia
2007-09-02 22:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ray Haddad
LIAR
So, Ray Haddad, how is it you could have had the "22 military career"
you brag about if, as a father of four (by 19 years of age, according to
you), you never would have been drafted in 1970 (as you claim) to start
with?

And, Ray Haddad, why have you been claiming to have been a "Master
Magician" since the 1950's (starting when you were 7 years old) , when
you were really just a part-time magic shop store clerk?

Why do you keep avoiding addressing your very own words about those two
points?

"I worked for Chuck Martinez Magicians' World in San Diego
at their Escondido shop (which I managed) in 1974-75 and was
paid at whatever the prevailing minimum wage was at the time."

-- Ray Haddad, San Diego Minimum Wage Store Clerk
http://tinyurl.com/23pbwd

"I've been performing magic professionally for over 40 years"

-- Ray Haddad in 1999; "over 40 years" means he
performed professionally at least as early as 1958,
at 7 years old http://tinyurl.com/2peg6n
Post by Ray Haddad
Yes, Sylvia. Everyone is clear now that you are a liar.
No, Hadddad, I am quoting *your* words. How pathetically childish you
get when speared with the truth about yourself.

Ray Haddad: "I have a reputation for truth, honor and integrity."

Miz Ultraviolet: "Maybe somewhere else. On MW you have a rep
as a fuckwitted liar."

Ray Haddad: "I have a reputation for truth, honor and integrity
everywhere."

Miz Ultraviolet: "Bullshit. Here's your MW rep, Ray: [1]

"I do know that he lies about what people have written."

-- Miz Pandora (Marg) to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2j78jv

"Why do you always feel the need to lie, Ray?"

- Mr. McClelland to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2ghbrd

"Liar, or idiot, take your pick, or you have NOT said
this from the start. "

-- Mr. Marc to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/yudczc,

"You've been caught lying so many times on this newsgroup
Ray, and have been called on it by so many people, myself
included, I'm stunned that you would think that anyone
believes even one word you say."

-- Miz PJ to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/244b3u

"Ray is getting worse, isn't he? All this lying stuff."

-- Miz gekko to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/366o69

"As always, one can only marvel at your ability to
combine a finely-honed sense of witlessness with
a solid command of dishonesty."

-- Joshua P. Hill to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/yro6yr

"I have to give you a nod for your relentless lying in
the face of the facts, Ray. There's something so
beautifully childlike about it. "

-- Miz Ultraviolet to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2ferxs

"You are a demonstrated liar (which was kind of
the original motivation for this thread)."

-- Bil Greene to Ray Haddad,
"The haddad enquiry... a recap"
http://tinyurl.com/286toh

"That's because you're stupid, you lie and you're
a stupid liar. And not a very good one. "

- Mr. Hope to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/28tnny

"This post is provided as a public service for those
who do not want to wade through a 150-post thread to
find out the truth about the haddad, that he is a liar
through and through, and a spankard to boot.

"A few annotated quotations from the haddad, who has
been caught, filleted and is now frying in batter, follow: [...]"

-- Dr Zen, "The haddad enquiry... a recap"
http://tinyurl.com/yqd98t

"Or instead, if you prefer, explain to us your understanding
of the verb "to lie" and how that understanding informs your
posting in this newsgroup. Of course I know that you have
neither the balls nor the brains to do anything but add more
disingenuous pap to your history of stupid posting. Still, here
is an opportunity to convince us. Explain your understanding
of the verb "to lie" for us. Redemption awaits."

- Mr RJM (Arjayem) to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/24yqlw

"You have a rep on MW as a liar, Ray. And now you're
proving you don't even know what the word means,
which is why you also have a rep of being a fuckwit."

- Miz UV to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2ygfb9

"You shallow weasel." -- Chef Pastorio to Ray Haddad
http://tinyurl.com/2bnfle

Mr. Rick: "But if such a quote by UV exists, why won't you
provide it? Could it be that you're full of shit?"

Ray Haddad: "Because I almost never do cites on demand."

Miz Sylvia: "Because it's impossible to provide a cite when
you lie about what other peeps have said here.
Or when you lie about what you have said here."

"Ray's telling untruths and continuing to do so when the
untruths are pointed out to him. [...] He can't say ooopsie I was
misunderstood, misconstrued, when his words were so straight
("You refer to anyone who disagrees with you as a liar") and he
didn't back down when that was pointed out to him.

"He's wrong. He's lying, telling untruths on purpose.

"There's no point in any ongoing discussion about -- he's
made my case."

-- Sal towse on Ray Haddad's lying
http://tinyurl.com/yu5a7y

<turning to the accused>

Haddad? What say you?

"I agree and admit that I use any means to put forth my views."

- - Ray Haddad http://tinyurl.com/2on9sw

<slamming down petite gavel>

Ray Haddad is GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! and *most* deserving of his
reputation "as a fuckwitted liar".

--
Sylvia

"[...] my only child under the age of 29 is living with
me [...] still be sending my 29 year old [...]"

-- Ray Haddad Aug 23 2000
http://tinyurl.com/3ba2uu

"I lost count after 6 kids and 5 grands."

-- Ray Haddad July 21 2003
http://tinyurl.com/28zuuu

So, Haddad, that means that yer fifth of six children was born in
1971...

"I found myself in the US military after being drafted
in 1970 and off to Vietnam for two tours as a volunteer."

-- Ray Haddad http://tinyurl.com/2usz44

[1] http://tinyurl.com/2ucll4 My post was built on the balance of
Miz Ultraviolet's quoted 2004 post.
Ray Haddad
2007-09-02 23:01:13 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:05:38 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by Sylvia
And, Ray Haddad, why have you been claiming to have been a "Master
Magician" since the 1950's (starting when you were 7 years old) , when
you were really just a part-time magic shop store clerk?
Er, you are becoming more tedious by the minute, Sylvia. You are
annoying the magic newsgroup regulars and further making a fool of
yourself worldwide.

I was 9 when I did my first professional show. I have been
performing ever since then even as I managed to work in other
careers. This concept may be far beyond your ability to comprehend
so why don't you just chew on your hair a bit and twirl your finger
in your cheek like a good dummy.

Nothing I have related to you anywhere is a lie but you do persist
in creating your own lies about me. The world wonders why. Explain.
--
Ray
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